David: I didn't see the article. What exactly is Butterfield's empirical basis for the assertion that "bar-room" (or, that old standard, "barroom"--which always looks so odd!) brawls are declining? I don't seem to recall that classification in the usual mortality reports. Thanks. Ron -- Ron Roizen voice: 510-848-9123 fax: 510-848-9210 home: 510-848-9098 1818 Hearst Ave. Berkeley, CA 94703 U.S.A. [log in to unmask]