Andrew,
Might I suggest that the problem is a lack of agreement about what students should be taught? ATEG cannot agree on a specific scope/sequence, even for such basic things as a grade level at which students should be expected to be able to recognize the subjects and verbs in their own writing. Indeed, it would not surprise me to learn that some ATEG members would argue that students don't need to be able to identify the subjects and verbs in their own writing. If there is no meaningful agreement about what should be taught, I don't see how there can be meaningful agreement about the background of those who should be teaching it.
Ed
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrew Smyth
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 7:51 PM
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Ed,
I agree that a state-by-state listing would be tremendously helpful, and if there's room for a follow-up project or to broaden the scope of this one, I'd like to pursue it. I'm primarily interested in national accreditation standards right now, especially those under NCTE/NCATE, along with hiring practices within teacher certification programs in English. The NCTE is asking for increased attention to language in its standards for program accreditation, but it's not clear who should be teaching the courses that are often put forward to satisfy those requirements. What kind of background in linguistics, writing, pedagogy, etc., is appropriate for those who teach the future English teachers?
Andrew
Andrew Smyth
Assistant Professor of English
Southern Connecticut State University
501 Crescent Street
New Haven, CT 06515
(203) 392-5113
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Edward Vavra
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:11 PM
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Andrew,
Are you looking into state requirements for the teacher certification programs? If I understand the situation correctly, the requirements of the various states are not easily found, much less compared. It would be a major service to ATEG, I would think, for someone to simply collect the requirements of the various states.
Ed
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Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:28 PM
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Dear ATEG Members:
Thanks to all who have responded to my inquiry about who teaches the grammar courses in teacher certification programs; your information will prove quite helpful in my research, and I hope to share results with you in the not so distant future.
Andrew
Andrew Smyth
Assistant Professor of English
Southern Connecticut State University
501 Crescent Street
New Haven, CT 06515
(203) 392-5113
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrew Smyth
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:41 AM
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Subject: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
Dear ATEG members:
I'm researching who most typically teaches the grammar course (or preferably two or more classes involving study of language, grammar, and/or methods of incorporating language instruction into one's curriculum) in programs that prepare secondary education students in English Language Arts. Are people with PhDs in linguistics more commonly recruited? Or those with some combination of linguistics, education, comp/rhet, etc.? I'd love to hear about the backgrounds of people who typically teach such courses at your instititutions.
Thanks so much,
Andrew
Andrew Smyth
Assistant Professor of English
Southern Connecticut State University
501 Crescent Street
New Haven, CT 06515
(203) 392-5113
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