Agreed; I actually like Dick Veit’s suggestion better than the current term.
Richard
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I use "adjectivals" but agree "adnomials" is more intuitive... I've tried it out in class, but as our classroom textbook uses "adjectival," mine have been only passing references...
Best,
D
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On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:11 AM, "Richard Grant" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
The good news is that such a term already exists: adjectivals. It allows for the distinction between single-word adjectives, which Dick has described as “pure” adjectives, and phrases that function as adjectives do.
Richard
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This is actually a very significant proposal. You ought to write it up and get it in print. I have always seen that as a gap myself and your choice of “adnominal” really hits the mark. I see no problems with it at all or exceptions.
Phil Bralich
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Geoff, thanks for sending the article link. My ESOL students puzzle about why noun-modifiers are singular.
What English lacks is a good general word for all modifiers of nouns. Currently, and confusingly, we use "adjective" in two senses. First there are the "pure" adjectives, modifiers like "happy" and "bold," most of which take comparative and superlative forms. But we also use "adjective" in a more general sense (as Metcalf did in the article) as a catchall for all modifiers of nouns, so that articles, demonstratives, pure adjectives, nouns-modifying-nouns, and prepositional phrases are also called adjectives.
Too bad there isn't a widely used general term. A good candidate might be "adnominal," since it nicely parallels "adverbial." Then we could restrict "adjective" to just the pure adjectives. We could say, "Nouns can be modified by a variety of adnominals. Among them, determiners, adjectives, and noun-modifiers all precede nouns (in that relative order), while prepositional phrases usually follow them."
By the way, noun-modifiers (and is there a better name for nouns that modify nouns?) can themselves be modified, which leads to some interesting ambiguities: "Dick Veit dusted off his dirty book shelf."
Dick
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Geoffrey Layton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
What happens when nouns become adjectives
http://chronicle.com/blogs/linguafranca/2012/07/27/the-murmuring-of-innumerate-nouns/?cid=at <http://chronicle.com/blogs/linguafranca/2012/07/27/the-murmuring-of-innumerate-nouns/?cid=at&utm_source=at&utm_medium=en> &utm_source=at&utm_medium=en
Geoff Layton
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