Beth,



If many machine generated R-K diagrams are wrong, then perhaps
an alternative approach would be to give students wrong ones
from the site and ask them to explain or comment on the error.



Of course, you don't tell them what the error is, and as
someone else notes below, there may be more than one way to
skin an R-K cat.



Mark





On Wed, Aug 27, 2014, at 07:34 PM, Beth Young wrote:

I dunno, grading students on right/wrong for ANYTHING can be
discouraging for the students.

I used to teach R-K diagramming in my grammar class, partly
because some of my students (some future K12 teachers) would
need to know them, partly because the textbook used them,
partly because some students really liked them and seemed to
learn from them. The assignments were for extra credit. One
extra credit assignment asked students to create a new way to
diagram that used the colors, fonts, etc. that we all have now
in our word processors, which (when students put thought into
it) was fun to see.

Now, there is a website that will make R-K diagrams for you.
[1]http://1aiway.com/nlp4net/services/enparser/ The diagrams
are often wrong, but when the site went live, I found I was
getting many more extra credit submissions to grade, and
curiously many of them were exactly the same kind of weird
wrong that the online diagrammer produced.  That tipped the
benefit ratio way too far into the negative, so I don't do this
anymore. Some students ask about R-K diagrams and I am happy to
teach them when asked, but that's it.

Beth

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The trouble with articles like this is they never mention
phrase structure trees.  They talk as if there is only one way
to make a geometric diagram of a sentence.  It might be an
enlightening exercise to have students invent new ways to show
the relationships between the words in a sentence.  Having them
use Reed-Kellog or phrase structure diagrams and then grading
them on right or wrong is discouraging for the students.


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Geoffrey Layton
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NCTE just posted this link on its Facebook page - watcha'll
think?

[3]http://www.npr.org/blogs/ed/2014/08/22/341898975/a-picture-o
f-language-the-fading-art-of-diagramming-sentences

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