"a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation secretary in
the Reagan administration in 1987089" is an appositive set off by commas and
non-rstrictive by definition.
James Bunley says "the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new
system hasn't gained funding." is a noun clause serving as the object of
"said" The missing 'that' is understood. Note the converse:
[That] "the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system
hasn't gained funding." is what James Bunly said. [that] the new system
hasn't gained funding is a restrictive adjective clause identifying "one of
the reasons."
Scott Catledge
Professor Emeritus
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:06:30 -0400
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Dear all,
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May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following
example?
=20
James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last
Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says
the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn't
gained funding.
=20
I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying which
Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause modifying an
appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying the
proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct?
=20
Thanks very much,
Natalie
____________________
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Assistant Professor
Department of English
SUNY Fredonia
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause =
in the
following example?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as =
the last
Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says =
the
complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn’t =
gained
funding.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>I analyze this example as a restrictive relative =
clause
specifying which Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative =
clause
modifying an appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element =
modifying the
proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks very much,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Natalie<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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of English</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Fredonia</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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(716) 673-3855<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:15:06 -0400
From: Beth Young <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: question on a relative clause
That's pretty much what I would say, except that I'd call the whole thing =
[a Washington attorney who served as the last
Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987-89] an =
appositive and say that the appositive had a restrictive relative clause =
embedded in it.=20
i.e., this particular appositive =3D determiner + noun + NOUN HEADWORD + =
relative clause. =20
Maybe that's what you were saying,
Beth
Dr. Beth Rapp Young
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University of Central Florida
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>>> Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask]> 4/23/2009 2:06 PM >>>
Dear all,
=20
May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following
example?
=20
James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last
Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says
the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn't
gained funding.
=20
I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying which
Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause modifying an
appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying the
proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct?
=20
Thanks very much,
Natalie
____________________
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Assistant Professor
Department of English
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fax (716) 673-4661
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:19:37 -0400
From: Dick Veit <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: question on a relative clause
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Correct. Both relative clauses are restrictive, and the appositive is
nonrestrictive.
Dick Veit
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask]
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> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following
> example?
>
>
>
> James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last Transportation
> secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says the complexity of
> Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn=92t gained funding.
>
>
>
> I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying which
> Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause modifying an
> appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying the proper
> noun James Bunley. Is this correct?
>
>
>
> Thanks very much,
>
> Natalie
>
> ____________________
>
> Natalie Gerber, Ph.D.
>
> Assistant Professor
>
> Department of English
>
> SUNY Fredonia
>
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>
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Correct. Both relative clauses are restrictive, and the appositive is nonre=
strictive.<br><br>Dick Veit<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 2=
3, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Natalie Gerber <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:=
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<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>=A0</p>
<p>May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the
following example?</p>
<p>=A0</p>
<p>James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last
Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says the
complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn=92t gained
funding.</p>
<p>=A0</p>
<p>I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause
specifying which Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause
modifying an appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying=
the
proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct?</p>
<p>=A0</p>
<p>Thanks very much,</p>
<p>Natalie</p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">____________________</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Natalie
Gerber, Ph.D.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Assistant
Professor</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Department
of English</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">SUNY
Fredonia</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">ph.
(716) 673-3855</span></p>
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(716) 673-4661</span></p>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:29:42 -0400
From: Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: question on a relative clause
Beth and Dick,
Thanks very much. That is what I meant to say. The entire noun phrase,
including the restrictive relative clause, is an appositive.
I wanted to double check because this example just about sent my
college-level grammar class reeling today. If anyone has helpful cues or
resources for simplifying relative clauses and their appearance within
appositives for students (I've been using Longman, Graeme Kennedy, and
OWL, along with examples from newspapers such as this one), please let
me know.
Natalie
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Subject: Re: question on a relative clause
That's pretty much what I would say, except that I'd call the whole
thing [a Washington attorney who served as the last
Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987-89] an
appositive and say that the appositive had a restrictive relative clause
embedded in it.=20
i.e., this particular appositive =3D determiner + noun + NOUN HEADWORD +
relative clause. =20
Maybe that's what you were saying,
Beth
Dr. Beth Rapp Young
http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~byoung
University of Central Florida
Reach for the Stars
>>> Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask]> 4/23/2009 2:06 PM >>>
Dear all,
=20
May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following
example?
=20
James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last
Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says
the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn't
gained funding.
=20
I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying which
Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause modifying an
appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying the
proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct?
=20
Thanks very much,
Natalie
____________________
Natalie Gerber, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of English
SUNY Fredonia
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fax (716) 673-4661
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:57:21 -0400
From: Dick Veit <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Sequencing information in sentences
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On occasion we have discussed a speaker's grammatical options for shaping
sentences (by choosing active or passive voice, using extraposition, etc.)
so as to get useful information to listeners in an appropriate sequence. A
letter to the editor in my local paper today demonstrates how a writer can
make some really bad decisions. Here is his opening sentence:
I was dismayed to see President Obama's plans
to simultaneously rebuild America's struggling
economy and find solutions to global warming--
through the introduction of clean, renewable energy
and a cap-and-trade system--come under attack
recently.
Talk about waiting until the very end of a long sentence to insert crucial
information that completely alters its meaning! Seems like an instructive
example to use in a writing class.
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On occasion we have discussed a speaker's grammatical options for shapi=
ng sentences (by choosing active or passive voice, using extraposition, etc=
.) so as to get useful information to listeners in an appropriate sequence.=
A letter to the editor in my local paper today demonstrates how a writer c=
an make some really bad decisions. Here is his opening sentence:<br>
<br><div style=3D"margin-left: 40px;">I was dismayed to see President Obama=
's plans <br>to simultaneously rebuild
America's struggling <br>economy and find solutions to global warming--
<br>through the introduction of clean, renewable energy<br>and a cap-and-tr=
ade
system--come under attack <br>recently.<br><br></div>Talk about waiting unt=
il the very end of a long sentence to insert crucial information that compl=
etely alters its meaning! Seems like an instructive example to use in a wri=
ting class.<br>
<br>Dick Veit<br>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:18:09 -0400
From: Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sequencing information in sentences
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This is a delightful example. Thanks for forwarding it.
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Natalie
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
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Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:57 PM
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Subject: Sequencing information in sentences
=20
On occasion we have discussed a speaker's grammatical options for
shaping sentences (by choosing active or passive voice, using
extraposition, etc.) so as to get useful information to listeners in an
appropriate sequence. A letter to the editor in my local paper today
demonstrates how a writer can make some really bad decisions. Here is
his opening sentence:
I was dismayed to see President Obama's plans=20
to simultaneously rebuild America's struggling=20
economy and find solutions to global warming--=20
through the introduction of clean, renewable energy
and a cap-and-trade system--come under attack=20
recently.
Talk about waiting until the very end of a long sentence to insert
crucial information that completely alters its meaning! Seems like an
instructive example to use in a writing class.
Dick Veit
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</b><span
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for the
Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Dick
Veit<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Sequencing information in =
sentences<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On occasion we have =
discussed a
speaker's grammatical options for shaping sentences (by choosing active =
or
passive voice, using extraposition, etc.) so as to get useful =
information to
listeners in an appropriate sequence. A letter to the editor in my local =
paper
today demonstrates how a writer can make some really bad decisions. Here =
is his
opening sentence:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I was dismayed to =
see President
Obama's plans <br>
to simultaneously rebuild America's struggling <br>
economy and find solutions to global warming-- <br>
through the introduction of clean, renewable energy<br>
and a cap-and-trade system--come under attack <br>
recently.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Talk about waiting until the very end of a long =
sentence to
insert crucial information that completely alters its meaning! Seems =
like an
instructive example to use in a writing class.<br>
<br>
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If anyone reviews the following textbooks, ATEG would surely benefit from a
review! I know I'd love to hear more about them and, particularly, how they
might fit into grammar instruction for pre-service teachers.
*Exploring English Grammar*: *From Formal to Functional* by Caroline Coffin,
Jim Donahue, and Sarah North (Routledge, 2009)
*Doing English* (3rd Ed.) by Robert Eaglestone (Routldge, 2009)
I'm going to get my hands on these texts eventually, and when I do, I'll add
my two cents to any discussions here.
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If anyone reviews the following textbooks, ATEG would surely benefit from a=
review! I know I'd love to hear more about them and, particularly, how=
they might fit into grammar instruction for pre-service teachers. <br><br>
<i>Exploring English Grammar</i>: <i>From Formal to Functional</i> by Carol=
ine Coffin, Jim Donahue, and Sarah North (Routledge, 2009)<br><br><i>Doing =
English</i> (3rd Ed.) by Robert Eaglestone (Routldge, 2009)<br><br>I'm =
going to get my hands on these texts eventually, and when I do, I'll ad=
d my two cents to any discussions here.<br>
<br>Thanks!<br><br>John<br>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:58:58 -0400
From: "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: question on a relative clause
Natalie,
One strategy I've used with *some* good results involves having students
simplify what they're looking at so that they don't have to think about
as much material at once. For example, if they've spotted a restrictive
relative, they use some kind of small placeholder symbol and just
substitute it in, attaching it to the noun it modifies. I'll use "#":
James Bunley, a Washington attorney#, says the complexity of Next-Gen is
one of the reasons#.
Similarly, for noun clauses, they can try switching in a placeholder and
expanding it on a separate line (I ask them to go through and do the
"something test" first; the Xes and Ys just stand for different
somethings):
Bjorn said that Brunnhild was asking where her alpenhorn was. -->
Bjorn said X
X =3D Brunnhild was asking Y
Y =3D where her alpenhorn was.
Sincerely,
Bill Spruiell
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
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Subject: Re: question on a relative clause
Beth and Dick,
Thanks very much. That is what I meant to say. The entire noun phrase,
including the restrictive relative clause, is an appositive.
I wanted to double check because this example just about sent my
college-level grammar class reeling today. If anyone has helpful cues or
resources for simplifying relative clauses and their appearance within
appositives for students (I've been using Longman, Graeme Kennedy, and
OWL, along with examples from newspapers such as this one), please let
me know.
Natalie
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Subject: Re: question on a relative clause
That's pretty much what I would say, except that I'd call the whole
thing [a Washington attorney who served as the last
Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987-89] an
appositive and say that the appositive had a restrictive relative clause
embedded in it.=20
i.e., this particular appositive =3D determiner + noun + NOUN HEADWORD +
relative clause. =20
Maybe that's what you were saying,
Beth
Dr. Beth Rapp Young
http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~byoung
University of Central Florida
Reach for the Stars
>>> Natalie Gerber <[log in to unmask]> 4/23/2009 2:06 PM >>>
Dear all,
=20
May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following
example?
=20
James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last
Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089, says
the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system hasn't
gained funding.
=20
I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying which
Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause modifying an
appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element modifying the
proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct?
=20
Thanks very much,
Natalie
____________________
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Assistant Professor
Department of English
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:09:58 -0400
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Natalie,
It's very useful to think in terms of form and function. A noun
phrase is a form; appositive is one of its many functions.
If you're using the -al labels in your class, your students should
recognize that subjects, various complements, the object of
prepositions, as well as appositives, are all nominal functions. All
those functions can be carried out by a variety of forms: noun
phrases (the most common), verb phrases, and clauses.
Your example is complicated by the fact that the appositive noun
phrase has a relative clause as a postheadword modifier. But a
relative clause (and other pre- and postnoun modifiers) can be part
of any noun phrase, no matter what its function in the sentence. I
spend a lot of time on the description of noun phrases, given their
potential for adding information--and their systematic way of doing
so. And of course there are many forms that function as
adjectivals--including adjectives, nouns, prepositional phrases, verb
phrases, and clauses.
It might be useful for your class to use that appositive noun phrase
with its postnoun modifier in some of the other noun phrase slots in
the sentence in order to reinforce the idea that it's a common NP
structure--although perhaps somewhat uncommon (given its relative
clause) when it's functioning as an appositive.
Martha
>Dear all,
>
>May I ask for your help parsing the relative clause in the following
example?
>
>James Bunley, a Washington attorney who served as the last
>Transportation secretary in the Reagan administration in 1987089,
>says the complexity of Next-Gen is one of the reasons the new system
>hasn't gained funding.
>
>I analyze this example as a restrictive relative clause specifying
>which Washington attorney; i.e., a restrictive relative clause
>modifying an appositive, which itself is a nonrestrictive element
>modifying the proper noun James Bunley. Is this correct?
>
>Thanks very much,
>Natalie
>____________________
>Natalie Gerber, Ph.D.
>Assistant Professor
>Department of English
>SUNY Fredonia
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<div>Natalie,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>It's very useful to think in terms of form and function. A
noun phrase is a form; appositive is one of its many functions.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If you're using the -al labels in your class, your students
should recognize that subjects, various complements, the object of
prepositions, as well as appositives, are all nominal functions. All
those functions can be carried out by a variety of forms: noun phrases
(the most common), verb phrases, and clauses.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Your example is complicated by the fact that the appositive noun
phrase has a relative clause as a postheadword modifier. But a
relative clause (and other pre- and postnoun modifiers) can be part of
any noun phrase, no matter what its function in the sentence. I spend
a lot of time on the description of noun phrases, given their
potential for adding information--and their systematic way of doing
so. And of course there are many forms that function as
adjectivals--including adjectives, nouns, prepositional phrases, verb
phrases, and clauses.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>It might be useful for your class to use that appositive noun
phrase with its postnoun modifier in some of the other noun phrase
slots in the sentence in order to reinforce the idea that it's a
common NP structure--although perhaps somewhat uncommon (given its
relative clause) when it's functioning as an appositive.</div>
<div><br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Dear all,</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>May I ask for your help parsing the
relative clause in the following example?</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>James Bunley, a Washington attorney who
served as the last Transportation secretary in the Reagan
administration in 1987089, says the complexity of Next-Gen is one of
the reasons the new system hasn't gained funding.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>I analyze this example as a restrictive
relative clause specifying which Washington attorney; i.e., a
restrictive relative clause modifying an appositive, which itself is a
nonrestrictive element modifying the proper noun James Bunley. Is this
correct?</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Thanks very much,</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Natalie</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>____________________</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Natalie Gerber, Ph.D.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Assistant Professor</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Department of English</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>SUNY Fredonia</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>ph. (716) 673-3855</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>fax (716) 673-4661</blockquote>
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