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"Dixon, Jack" <[log in to unmask]>
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Yes, yes, yes.  I think sometimes those tests, especially reading tests, are written to test certain kinds of texts and reading strategies.  I am in TX, and my friends who teach in public schools complain that much of their professional development centers on strategies for passing the state tests.



I still want to believe that the Kansas exam had a mis-keyed item on the answer key.  If not, imagine the consequences if several similarly ambiguous items were on an exam that determines whether a student is working at grade level.  Equally frightening would be the possibility that the results come with a diagnostic feature.  If the student misses comparable questions on the difference between active and passive voice, then the student could be "remediated."  What a waste.

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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Beth Young <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:44 AM
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Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 9 Mar 2015 to 10 Mar 2015 (#2015-19)

I agree! It's depressing to see how often a standardized assessment will include confusing questions. I recently took the online practice test for a 6th grade reading test, and according to the answer key, a bunch of my answers were wrong . . . except that they weren't. Not to sound egotistical, but if a college English teacher with a Ph.D. has trouble identifying the right answers on a 6th grade test, something is wrong with the test.

Beth

Dr. Beth Rapp Young
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University of Central Florida
"Reach for the Stars"
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Dixon, Jack [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 9 Mar 2015 to 10 Mar 2015 (#2015-19)


Beth,



I responded more fully to another post, indicating the possibility of its adjectival status.  However, in this sentence, the writer could have easily rewritten the sentence to say a shooting star surprised her.  I think the question unfair for an 8th-grade multiple choice test.



Jack

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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Beth Young <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:30 AM
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Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 9 Mar 2015 to 10 Mar 2015 (#2015-19)

It's possible to interpret B as active voice if you consider "surprised" to be adjectival. The "by a shooting star" phrase argues for passive, but the fact that you can say "was very surprised by . . ." argues for an adjectival complement.

I prefer answer A, but I would probably accept B if a student invoked the "very" test.

Beth


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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Dick Veit [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:24 AM
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Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 9 Mar 2015 to 10 Mar 2015 (#2015-19)

The question was which clause is in the active voice. A is the only correct answer.


On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Scott Catledge <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
I do not care what the dimwits who wrote the Kansas test say: A is certainly correct; although B is possible, I am a grammar nazi and I would have chosen A.
Prof. Scott Catledge
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> Date:    Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:06:01 -0500
> From:    Shana Schmidt <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Subject: Assessment question
>
> Please help us settle a debate about this sample 8th grade Kansas state assessment question.
>
> Rosa was admiring the moon when ____________.
>
> Which of the following completes the sentence in the active voice?
>
> A. she spotted a shooting star (this what student selected)
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> B. she was surprised by a shooting star (this is marked as the correct answer)
>
> C. shooting star was spotted by her
>
> D. a shooting star was wished upon by her
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>
>
> Thanks for your help on settling this debate so we can explain to the student.
>
> Shana

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