Scott, I think, has simply reiterated how logic is normally so loose in language.   Perhaps the problem I have with "gives" is that it is one step further along in the derivation.  The blending of meanings is ubiquitous in language.  My point is simply that it would be more analytic to distinguish the two:

Old-fashioned diagramming gives me the subject and verb immediately.

The result of old-fashioned diagramming's being ingrained in me is that I parse the subject and verb immediately.

The problem with the Harriet and Joanna (you've deleted their names and my memory is faulty) sentence was that the concepts were blended and referred back to, much like those of my example (and yours).

Bruce

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The result of old-fashioned diagramming's being ingrained in me gives

me the subject and verb immediately.



Scott Catledge



I deleted the 120 pages in this Special issue.  Is everyone getting that

much garbage.  Some messages are clear; most are contained in gibberish.

I am not referring to anyone's expression as 'gibberish'-just the printed

results.
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