Thank you, Johanna, for yout July 28th message! I returned from a 
brief holiday to find my mailbox over quota and have been following 
the terminology thread with some perplexity. Using both terms is the 
obvious solution. What I have found particularly interesting in 
Phil's posts is his frequent use of the word "discover" - Isn't that 
the direction we want to be going in? Is there a phenomenological 
approach in teaching grammar where students of all ages can be led in 
a path of increasing complexity to discover for themselves? Once one 
has discovered something for oneself, one is usually interested in 
who else has discovered this, including, often, what past discoverers 
have named the thing discovered. I continue to be somewhat wistful 
about the middle school textbook that Neil Postman published in 1963 -
 Discovering Your Language - He used Form-Classes, by the way - There 
was an excellent beginning to a new approach to grammar in the 60's - 
then the derailment - now we have another chance - let's get on with 
the task.

Anne Greer

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