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Here's a rewrite of John's essay, with varied sentence openings:
Today I going to tell you about George Washington.  During colonial  
times, he was a great man.  When he was about twelve, he chopped down  
a cherry tree.  Also, he did not tell lies.  When he was older, he  
fought in a war.

Better?


On May 19, 2009, at 8:15 PM, John Dews-Alexander wrote:

> I think Susan's point, at its core, is one that we all find  
> ourselves trying to make sometimes (perhaps while banging our heads  
> up against a wall): "Please, just try something different!"
>
> When writers create texts that read something like, "I am going to  
> tell you about George Washington. George Washington was a great man.  
> He was the first president. He chopped down a cherry tree. He did  
> not tell lies. He fought in a war," asking them to vary sentence  
> openers is just ONE form of a larger request. What we really want  
> them to do is care. Their writing seems robotic because it, for all  
> practical purposes, lacks any style. In order to elicit style,  
> voice, and variety, I believe we first have to tackle motive.  
> Composition hinges on motive and intent; the "because it is an  
> assignment" motive is often the cause of simple prose that lacks  
> "mature" sentence constructions.
>
> I don't like to teach the "vary sentence openers" lesson because it  
> misses the point. For writers who are unmotivated, it falls on deaf  
> ears. For students who are motivated, it lacks precision. That's not  
> to say that I don't agree with Susan about the value of variety.  
> However, I suggest high school teachers focus on variety throughout  
> the sentence. What about varying predicate structures? Verb types?  
> Modifiers? Sentences are robotic not because they are parallel in  
> sentence openers; they're robotic because they are parallel in all  
> function slots (like basic readers for very young children..."See  
> Spot run. See Spot play. See Spot sit.")
>
> I've used Killgallon's sentence composing books before and am a big  
> fan of them. His books encourage manipulation of structure (while a  
> little soft on meaning), and are very helpful tools for developing  
> writers. If the writers are even trying, that is! Getting students  
> to care about writing is "a whole nother" ballgame though!
>
> John Alexander
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Susan van Druten <[log in to unmask] 
> > wrote:
> Craig says: One way to respond is to point out how often writers  
> keep the same subject in focus for larger stretches of text. In  
> other words, a close look at
> structure argues against varying sentence openers, not for it.
>
> Using a prepositional phrase, a subordinate clause, or a gerund will  
> usually not change the subject of the sentence.  Therefore sentence  
> start variation does not play havoc with the content (or the  
> structure).  Don Killgallon's Sentence Composing for High School is  
> very useful in providing exercises that bring an awareness of the  
> possible constructions.  I'd be interested in you take on it if  
> you've ever run across it.  I only use it for honors and AP.
>
> Craig says: Varying sentences openers for the sake of "variety" is a  
> different kind of goal.
>
> The variation is not for the sake of itself.  It is to counter the  
> very real problem of robotic writing in which the student repeats  
> "He" or "There is" for five sentences in a row and has had no  
> instruction in how he might try something new (as these writers are  
> generally not readers and have not seen these variations in print).   
> For most writers this stuff is intuitive.  Many students do  
> flounder, and for those who really struggle, explicit examples of  
> how they might change up their writing is very helpful.  I take it  
> you have never encountered this type of writer.
>
> Craig says:  It implies that form and meaning are separate, that  
> meaning needs to be dressed up.
>
> Well, if you have a tin ear (or tin fingers), then you need help  
> getting dressed.  Untangle that metaphor!  But there are writers who  
> need concrete guidance in improving their style.
>
> 4) Sentence variety is not a goal I would advocate. The form of the  
> sentences should mirror purpose.
>
> But that is the point.  The purpose is to intrigue the reader and  
> make her want to read on.  A robotic writer needs to fix his form or  
> he has lost purpose and audience.
>
> " There are REASONS for these [repetitions] choices, and variety  
> seems to me a distraction.
>
> If there is a purpose for a repetition than that supersedes the  
> variety rule.   We have agreement on that.  I am speaking of  
> students who repeat "He" or "There is" five times in a row and  
> perhaps in 75% of all their sentence starts.  I wish I had an  
> example essay to send to you, but, of course, it's the end of the  
> year, and I already covered this mini-lesson so now my students all  
> write perfectly.  (wink, wink)
>
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> Craig, I have to respectfully disagree with your
>> anti-varying-sentence-openers stance and take Susan's side on this  
>> one.
>> In
>> no particular order--
>>
>>    1. Students are exposed to tens/hundreds of thousands of well- 
>> formed
>>    sentences as they read literature and professionally written  
>> texts from
>>    other content areas.  However, most of them remain oblivious to  
>> (and
>> unmoved
>>    by) their structure.
>>    2. You tend to portray this teaching position as robotic.  It  
>> doesn't
>>    have to be at all.  If students are properly exposed to and  
>> encouraged
>> (not
>>    forced) to consider sentence variety when they write or revise,  
>> some of
>>    them, at least, will begin to move toward a style of writing that
>> readers
>>    unconsciously consider to be more mature.
>>    3. One of the key players in this transition is helping students  
>> become
>>    more aware of stylistic devices that professional authors have  
>> used to
>>    create their work.
>>    4. Sentence openers is only one way of achieving sentence variety.
>> Susan
>>    isn't saying that it's the only tool that she employs as she  
>> tries to
>>    encourage her students to make their writing more  
>> sophisticated.  But
>> it's a
>>    good one.
>>    5. Don showed two paragraphs written in beautifully parallel  
>> style that
>>    exhibit no variety of sentence openers.  Certainly one can write
>> parallel
>>    passages without varying sentence openers and have a masterpiece  
>> as a
>>    result.  And certainly if one tried to force Canton to vary his
>> sentence
>>    openers in these two paragraphs, the result would be negative.    
>> Just
>>    because Canton chose not to employ sentence opener variety for two
>>    paragraphs does not support the assertion that such variety is not
>>    desirable.  In fact, research clearly shows that good writers  
>> *do* vary
>>    sentence openers occasionally across a piece of writing, as  
>> cited both
>> by
>>    Christensen and Ed Schuster.  Many students will remain mired in  
>> their
>>    stylistic muck unless they are helped and encouraged to break  
>> out of
>> it.
>>    6. You analyze Susan's email postings and show that she does not  
>> vary
>> her
>>    sentence openers.  Of course not!  She's not trying to write  
>> polished
>> prose;
>>    she's writing short, off- the-cuff messages, explaining her  
>> position
>> very
>>    clearly in the process.
>>
>> I firmly believe that making students consciously aware of ways to  
>> vary
>> sentence openers, pointing them out (or having students do so) in  
>> common
>> readings, and encouraging them to try them in their own writing are  
>> all
>> steps in a very positive direction.
>>
>> I agree with so much of what you have to say, but God forbid that we
>> should
>> see eye to eye on everything!
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Craig Hancock <[log in to unmask]>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   It's a delight to be away from the list for a day and then find my
>>> position so well argued in the meantime.
>>>   The "training wheels" metaphor would work if "varying sentence
>>> openers"
>>> was an easier way to write. It's not. It's a little like trying to  
>>> get
>>> kids to learn to ride with one eye shut. It's not good advice or  
>>> good
>>> training.
>>>
>>> Craig>
>>>
>>>  Varying sentence openings is a topic in every handbook ever  
>>> written,
>>>> beginning in very early years---at least by grade seven, I'm  
>>>> sure---
>>>> and continuing into every college handbook on the market.  You'd  
>>>> think
>>>> with that much repetition, it would have taken hold somewhere along
>>>> the line.
>>>> I'd rather see the space devoted to how to achieve coherence.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> On May 18, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Jan Kammert wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think it was someone on this list who, months ago, talked about
>>>>> training wheels in teaching.  Telling students to vary the way  
>>>>> their
>>>>> sentences start seems to me like training wheels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eventually the wheels come off.  It is hard to get those wheels  
>>>>> off
>>>>> for some kids, though.  Today a student told me that a sentence
>>>>> cannot start with a pronoun.  I have never heard that one before!
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you familiar with 6 trait writing?  One of the traits is
>>>>> sentence fluency.  One part of sentence fluency is starting
>>>>> sentences in different ways.  Craig, if you can look at 6 trait
>>>>> writing, I'd love to hear what you think about it.
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Original message from Susan van Druten
>>> <[log in to unmask]
>>>>>> : ----------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig,
>>>>>> Unless you have taught average students in high school (or  
>>>>>> younger
>>>>>> grades), I think you should rethink your stance. Don't just  
>>>>>> trust me
>>>>>> on this.  Maybe others who are on this list will chime in: Is
>>>>>> teaching struggling writers to consider varying their sentence  
>>>>>> start
>>>>>> is a helpful strategy?  If you were intimately familiar with that
>>>>>> type of student writing, you would know that I am not  
>>>>>> exaggerating
>>>>>> just how robotic their essays can be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I cover parallel structure in AP and honors classes, we talk
>>>>>> about the difference between purposeful repetition (emphasis,  
>>>>>> humor,
>>>>>> known-new, hooks, etc.) and repetition born by uninspired, lazy
>>>>>> writing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 18, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Craig Hancock wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Susan,
>>>>>>>   If I saw the same writing, I might very well agree that  
>>>>>>> change is
>>>>>>> needed, but I wouldn't use "sentence variety" as a motivation.  
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> we can find many instances where good writers maintain  
>>>>>>> subjects for
>>>>>>> longer stretches than that. The last time this came up on the
>>>>>>> list, I
>>>>>>> was teaching Frost's "Acquainted With the Night" and observed  
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> ALL
>>>>>>> the sentences in that poem begin with "I have." Look closely at
>>>>>>> Obama's
>>>>>>> acclaimed speech on race, and you'll see many instances of  
>>>>>>> sentence
>>>>>>> openers repeated many times. I kn ow that because my grammar  
>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>> worked on a passage as an optional final.
>>>>>>>   Francis Christensen deals with many of these issues in "Notes
>>>>>>> toward a
>>>>>>> new Rhetoric" in an essay called "Sentence Openers." (Among  
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> things, he reports in his samples that 8.75% of sentences in
>>>>>>> expository
>>>>>>> writing for professional writers start with the fanboy
>>>>>>> conjunctions. In
>>>>>>> fiction, it was 4.55%. He called it a sign of "a mature style.")
>>> The
>>>>>>> essay is largely an argument against calls for unique sentence
>>>>>>> openers
>>>>>>> for purposes of variety.
>>>>>>>   He ends the essay in this way: "What we need is a rhetorical
>>>>>>> theory of
>>>>>>> the sentence that will not merely combine the ideas of primer
>>>>>>> sentences, but will generate new ideas. In such a rhetoric,
>>> sentence
>>>>>>> elements would not be managed arbitrarily for the sake of  
>>>>>>> secondary
>>>>>>> concerns such as variety. They would be treated functionally and
>>> the
>>>>>>> variety--and its opposite, parallelism and balance--allowed to  
>>>>>>> grow
>>>>>>> from the materials and the effort to communicate them to the
>>>>>>> reader."
>>>>>>>   since Ed brought up the issue, I would add that he found about
>>>>>>> 28.5% of
>>>>>>> sentences in professional expository writing open with  
>>>>>>> adverbials.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> number is smaller (20%) for fiction. There is great   
>>>>>>> variability,
>>>>>>> though, byu author. The highest he found was for Rachel Carson's
>>>>>>> "The
>>>>>>> Sea Around Us", 79/200, almost 40%. The most common subject in
>>>>>>> fiction,
>>>>>>> by the way, is a pronoun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Varying sentence starts and known-new are different concepts.
>>>>>>>> Students should do both.  You have nicely analyzed my  
>>>>>>>> writing, but
>>>>>>>> your analysis is irrelevant to my point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My students start their sentences with "He" five times in a  
>>>>>>>> row.
>>>>>>>> Or
>>>>>>>> "There is" or "It is" five times in a row.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Craig Hancock wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Susan,
>>>>>>>>>   I honestly didn't get the point. But let me try again to
>>>>>>>>> describe your
>>>>>>>>> own writing. "We" brings you and I into focus. "a teacher"  
>>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>> subject of the subordinate clause that starts sentence two.  
>>>>>>>>> "I"
>>> is
>>>>>>>>> main
>>>>>>>>> clause subject. "That" refers back to the previous two  
>>>>>>>>> sentences
>>>>>>>>> and is
>>>>>>>>> hardly "stylistic" in its choice. Do you start the second
>>>>>>>>> paragraph
>>>>>>>>> with "but" to prove a point? It seems a very good example of
>>>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> talking about earlier. "A teacher" heads that sentence, a
>>>>>>>>> carryover
>>>>>>>>> from the previous paragraph and very much a given. Students  
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>> into play, with "they" in the subordinate clause subject  
>>>>>>>>> slots.
>>> "A
>>>>>>>>> teacher" is again the subject of the next sentence. "I" is the
>>>>>>>>> subject
>>>>>>>>> of the next two sentences, and "they" (standing in for  
>>>>>>>>> students)
>>>>>>>>> ends
>>>>>>>>> the paragraph. You are doing what I am talking about, making  
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> starts
>>>>>>>>> of your sentences "given", even repeating subjects ("a  
>>>>>>>>> teacher",
>>>>>>>>> "they", "I")to build coherence. In almost every case, there is
>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>> about the subject itself that calls attention. It's "given",  
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> attention on the new information to follow.
>>>>>>>>>    If you are speaking/writing about your own understandings
>>> (your
>>>>>>>>> surprise at what I believe, what you have noticed, your
>>>>>>>>> intentions and
>>>>>>>>> expectations), then "I" is the natural choice of subject. The
>>>>>>>>> "new"
>>>>>>>>> information comes in the second part of the sentences. I  
>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the sentences in the third paragraph are short and clipped
>>>>>>>>> because you
>>>>>>>>> want them to sound simple, but the "I" subjects don't pose a
>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>   I do not vary my subjects. If anything, I work hard to  
>>>>>>>>> keep a
>>>>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>>>>> focus for longer stretches of text, something I'm told the
>>>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>>> assessments are designed to pick up as a sign of  
>>>>>>>>> sophistication.
>>>>>>>>>   Inexperienced writers jump topics (and subjects) much too
>>>>>>>>> quickly, and
>>>>>>>>> it's not unusual for them to say they have been taught to do
>>> that.
>>>>>>>>> (Notice how "Inexperienced writers" is followed by "them" and
>>>>>>>>> "they" in
>>>>>>>>> the above compound sentence. "It's" is a dummy subject. "They"
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>> starts the sentence to come.) They may be naturually coherent,
>>> but
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> been advised against following those instincts when they  
>>>>>>>>> write.
>>>>>>>>>   If you pick up a collection of award winning essays, you'll
>>> find
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> point verified essay after essay. Good writers repeat. They
>>>>>>>>> sustain
>>>>>>>>> subjects for long stretches, building in new information as  
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> go.
>>>>>>>>> You also seem to do that when you write, at least in your  
>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>> post.
>>>>>>>>>   I always spend time with classes looking at exactly this
>>>>>>>>> coherence
>>>>>>>>> building in effective texts. I underline the subjects in a
>>>>>>>>> paragraph of
>>>>>>>>> student writing just to direct attention to how quickly a  
>>>>>>>>> topic
>>> is
>>>>>>>>> shifting in their text. They see it right away and adjust.
>>>>>>>>>   Our advice should be based on observations about how meaning
>>>>>>>>> happens
>>>>>>>>> and on how effective writing works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Craig Hancock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't help students by giving them
>>>>>>>>>>> a false description of language because you believe they  
>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>> capable
>>>>>>>>>>> of the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we don't actually disagree.  If a teacher actually told
>>> her
>>>>>>>>>> students that good writers never start sentences with the  
>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>> "because" or an essay that doesn't have a thesis at the end  
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> first paragraph is wrong and an example of bad writing,  
>>>>>>>>>> then I
>>> am
>>>>>>>>>> with you.  That is false information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But a teacher who tells her students that they can only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> write in
>>>>>>>>>> pencil, or that they must show their work, or that their  
>>>>>>>>>> essay
>>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>> have 5 paragraphs is not giving them false information.   
>>>>>>>>>> Should
>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> teacher clarify that the rule about "because" is only for  
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>>>>> and that when they are older they may break this rule?   
>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  I
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>> that probably does happen.  I think it is too much for some
>>>>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>>>> to process, and what they retain is just the rule itself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Vary sentence starts" would be another example of bad  
>>>>>>>>>>> advice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am surprise that you believe this.  I notice you vary your
>>>>>>>>>> sentence
>>>>>>>>>> starts.  I do too.  I would only break that rule to prove a
>>>>>>>>>> point.  I
>>>>>>>>>> hope I have proved it.  I am not sure if I have.  I hope you
>>>>>>>>>> will let
>>>>>>>>>> me know.
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