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Marshall,

My first instinct is to treat the second case as involving an *attributive* subject complement, with the reflexive being a rather idiomatic equivalent of an adjectival. It's gradable to some extent ("He's more himself today than he was yesterday, when he was completely beside himself"). I think I've seen this kind of analysis in several places; I'll try to dig them out.

There may be analogous situations with proper names being used for qualities; "The Provost was going completely Voldemort on everyone " (apologies for redundancy).

--- Bill Spruiell



On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:27 AM, "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Members,
> 
> Look at sentence A below:
> 
>               A. Smith cut himself with a knife.
> 
> Even though "himself" "re-names" the subject, it follows a transitive verb and thus is a direct object. Correct?
> 
> Look at sentence B below:
> 
>               B. Smith is not himself today.
> 
> In this sentence, "himself" follows a copulative verb "is." In most circumstances, "himself" would be a subject complement that again re-names the subject, "Smith."
> 
> How do we regard "himself" in sentence B? Is "himself" a subject complement? Or is it to be regarded differently? Or are we dealing in both sentence A and B with a special case?
> 
> Your thoughts?
> 
> Marshall           
> 
> My question is 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Scott Catledge
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 7:29 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 9 Nov 2011 to 10 Nov 2011 (#2011-196)
> 
> To me a participle is a verb form.  In its present form it can be part of a 
> progressive aspect in a
> verb or act as an adjective.  Less commonly, it could act as a noun; 
> however, any word can act
> as a noun.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
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> Subject: ATEG Digest - 9 Nov 2011 to 10 Nov 2011 (#2011-196)
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>> There is 1 message totalling 1027 lines in this issue.
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>> Topics of the day:
>> 
>> 1. ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194)
>> 
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>> Date:    Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:05:36 +0000
>> From:    "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194)
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I stand corrected. "Exciting" was first a verb form, then a participle, 
>> and=
>> then an adjective, correct?
>> 
>> Marshall
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar 
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>> OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Catledge
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:33 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194)
>> 
>> I would not say that "exciting was an adjective made out of a verb but a
>> present participle used as an adjective--a concept that I taught early on.
>> When I stated that any word could be used as a noun, I was challenged by a
>> student who said, "'The' can't be used as a noun."  I then asked her to=20
>> diagram
>> her statement.  When she did, the class saw that "The" was a subject. 
>> I=20
>> then
>> asked if "The" was used as a pronoun: they replied almost in unison, 
>> "No,=20
>> it's
>> used as a noun.  The young lady just shook her head and said, "'The' 
>> can't=
>> =20
>> be
>> no noun!"  I stated that she was quite right that 'the' could not be a 
>> noun=
>> ;=20
>> it
>> could, however, be used as a noun--as we clearly saw from the diagram.  I
>> never did convince her and, on the final exam, a similar response took her
>> exam grade from a C to a D=3D--lowering her final average from a C to a 
>> C-.
>> She complained; however, we had few, if any, options at that time on
>> determining final grades.
>> 
>> Scott Catledge
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "ATEG automatic digest system" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 12:03 AM
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194)
>> 
>>> There are 5 messages totalling 620 lines in this issue.
>>> 
>>> Topics of the day:
>>> 
>>> 1. grammar question--verb v. participle (5)
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>>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>>> From:    Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>> 
>>> --1938299484-559104384-1320775173=3D:20532
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>>> Dear List,
>>> 
>>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>> 
>>> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>> 
>>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Scott Woods
>>> 
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>>> <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff;=20
>>> font-family:times new roman, new york, times,=20
>>> serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Dear List,</div><div><br></div><div>How would=
>> =20
>>> you describe "exciting" in the following=20
>>> sentence?</div><div><br></div><div>&lt;What had been exciting gave her a=
>> =20
>>> feeling of dazed helplessness.&gt;</div><div><br></div><div>How would 
>>> you=
>> =20
>>> explain your reasoning to 7th=20
>>> graders?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Sc=
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:49:32 +0000
>>> From:    "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>> 
>>> Scott --
>>> 
>>> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if 
>>> th=
>> e=20
>>> =3D
>>> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term=
>> =20
>>> ac=3D
>>> tually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily, which=20
>>> support=3D
>>> s the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can rule out adverb=
>> =20
>>> fa=3D
>>> irly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say 
>>> "excitingly"=
>> =20
>>> t=3D
>>> here if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't talked about 
>>> verb=20
>>> for=3D
>>> ms being used as adjectives, maybe this would be a good place to bring 
>>> it=
>> =20
>>> u=3D
>>> p. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding something interpretable 
>>> onl=
>> y=20
>>> =3D
>>> as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just made them=20
>>> confused"=3D
>>> (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>> 
>>> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement 
>>> insid=
>> e=20
>>> =3D
>>> a wh-clause acting as subject=3D85 but I was guessing that seventh grade=
>> =20
>>> prob=3D
>>> ably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>>> 
>>> --- Bill Spruiell
>>> 
>>> From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar=20
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@LISTSE=3D
>>> RV.MUOHIO.EDU>>
>>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>>> To: ATEG English Grammar=20
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> HIO.EDU>>
>>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>> 
>>> Dear List,
>>> 
>>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>> 
>>> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>> 
>>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Scott Woods
>>> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web 
>>> interfac=
>> e=20
>>> =3D
>>> at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or=20
>>> leave=3D
>>> the list"
>>> 
>>> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:54:59 +0000
>>> From:    "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I concur with Bill.
>>> 
>>> "Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as "exciting" is.
>>> 
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar=20
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>> 
>>> Scott --
>>> 
>>> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if 
>>> th=
>> e=20
>>> =3D
>>> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term=
>> =20
>>> ac=3D
>>> tually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily, which=20
>>> support=3D
>>> s the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can rule out adverb=
>> =20
>>> fa=3D
>>> irly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say 
>>> "excitingly"=
>> =20
>>> t=3D
>>> here if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't talked about 
>>> verb=20
>>> for=3D
>>> ms being used as adjectives, maybe this would be a good place to bring 
>>> it=
>> =20
>>> u=3D
>>> p. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding something interpretable 
>>> onl=
>> y=20
>>> =3D
>>> as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just made them=20
>>> confused"=3D
>>> (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>> 
>>> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement 
>>> insid=
>> e=20
>>> =3D
>>> a wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade=20
>>> prob=3D
>>> ably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>>> 
>>> --- Bill Spruiell
>>> 
>>> From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar=20
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@LISTSE=3D
>>> RV.MUOHIO.EDU>>
>>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>>> To: ATEG English Grammar=20
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> HIO.EDU>>
>>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>> 
>>> Dear List,
>>> 
>>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>> 
>>> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>> 
>>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Scott Woods
>>> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web 
>>> interfac=
>> e=20
>>> =3D
>>> at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or=20
>>> leave=3D
>>> the list"
>>> 
>>> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:54:40 -0500
>>> From:    MARTHA KOLLN <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>> 
>>> --=3D-5Be6YINi0jrOI42vD6hO
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8
>>> 
>>> Another adjective test besides "very":  "more exciting.
>>> 
>>> Martha
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov  8, 2011 02:54 PM, "Myers, Marshall" 
>>> <[log in to unmask]>=
>> =20
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>>> 
>>>> I concur with Bill.
>>>> 
>>>> "Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as
>>>> "exciting" is.
>>>> 
>>>> Marshall
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>>> 
>>>> Scott --
>>>> 
>>>> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if 
>>>> th=
>> e
>>>> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term
>>>> actually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily,
>>>> which supports the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can 
>>>> rul=
>> e=20
>>>> out
>>>> adverb fairly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say
>>>> "excitingly" there if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class
>>>> hasn't talked about verb forms being used as adjectives, maybe this 
>>>> would=
>> =20
>>>> be a
>>>> good place to bring it up. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding=20
>>>> something
>>>> interpretable only as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now 
>>>> jus=
>> t
>>>> made them confused" (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>>> 
>>>> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement 
>>>> insid=
>> e=20
>>>> a
>>>> wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade=20
>>>> probably
>>>> hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>>>> 
>>>> --- Bill Spruiell
>>>> 
>>>> From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar
>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>>>> To: ATEG English Grammar
>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>>> 
>>>> Dear List,
>>>> 
>>>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>>> 
>>>> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>>> 
>>>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Scott Woods
>>>> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web 
>>>> interfac=
>> e=20
>>>> at:
>>>> http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave
>>>> the list"
>>>> 
>>>> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/
>>>> 
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>>>> interfac=
>> e=20
>>>> at:
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>>>> interfac=
>> e=20
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Martha Kolln
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> --=3D-5Be6YINi0jrOI42vD6hO
>>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dutf-8
>>> 
>>> <div>Another adjective test besides "very": &nbsp;"more
>>> exciting.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Martha<br><br>On 
>>> Tue,=20
>>> Nov  8,
>>> 2011 02:54 PM, <b>"Myers, Marshall" &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;</b>
>>> wrote:<br><blockquote id=3D"quoted_response" style=3D"padding-left: 3px;
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>>> #000;">
>>> <pre>
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I concur with Bill.
>>> 
>>> "Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as
>>> "exciting" is.
>>> 
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>> 
>>> Scott --
>>> 
>>> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if 
>>> th=
>> e
>>> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term
>>> actually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily,
>>> which supports the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can 
>>> rul=
>> e=20
>>> out
>>> adverb fairly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say
>>> "excitingly" there if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class
>>> hasn't talked about verb forms being used as adjectives, maybe this 
>>> would=
>> =20
>>> be a
>>> good place to bring it up. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding=20
>>> something
>>> interpretable only as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now 
>>> jus=
>> t
>>> made them confused" (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>> 
>>> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement 
>>> insid=
>> e=20
>>> a
>>> wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade=20
>>> probably
>>> hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>>> 
>>> --- Bill Spruiell
>>> 
>>> From: Scott Woods=20
>>> &lt;[log in to unmask]&lt;mailto:[log in to unmask]&gt;
>>> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar
>>> &lt;[log in to unmask]&lt;mailto:[log in to unmask]&gt;
>>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>>> To: ATEG English Grammar
>>> &lt;[log in to unmask]&lt;mailto:[log in to unmask]&gt;
>>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>> 
>>> Dear List,
>>> 
>>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>> 
>>> &lt;What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.&gt;
>>> 
>>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Scott Woods
>>> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web 
>>> interfac=
>> e=20
>>> at:
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>>> the list"
>>> 
>>> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/
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>>> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web 
>>> interfac=
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>>> Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/
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>>> 
>>> </pre></blockquote>Martha Kolln<br><br><br></div>
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>>> --=3D-5Be6YINi0jrOI42vD6hO--
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:57:12 +0000
>>> From:    "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
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>> GFs
>>> bDxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPjxvOnA+Jm5ic3A7PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlP=
>> i0t
>>> LS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tPG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+RnJvbTogQ=
>> XNz
>>> ZW1ibHkgZm9yIHRoZSBUZWFjaGluZyBvZiBFbmdsaXNoIEdyYW1tYXI8bzpwPjwvbzpwPjwvc=
>> HJl
>>> Pg0KPHByZT5bbWFpbHRvOkFURUdATElTVFNFUlYuTVVPSElPLkVEVV0gT24gQmVoYWxmIE9mI=
>> FNw
>>> cnVpZWxsLCBXaWxsaWFtIEM8bzpwPjwvbzpwPjwvcHJlPg0KPHByZT5TZW50OiBUdWVzZGF5L=
>> CBO
>>> b3ZlbWJlciAwOCwgMjAxMSAyOjUwIFBNPG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+VG86IEFUR=
>> UdA
>>> TElTVFNFUlYuTVVPSElPLkVEVTxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPlN1YmplY3Q6IFJlO=
>> iBn
>>> cmFtbWFyIHF1ZXN0aW9uLS12ZXJiIHYuIHBhcnRpY2lwbGU8bzpwPjwvbzpwPjwvcHJlPg0KP=
>> HBy
>>> ZT48bzpwPiZuYnNwOzwvbzpwPjwvcHJlPg0KPHByZT5TY290dCAtLTxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wc=
>> mU+
>>> DQo8cHJlPjxvOnA+Jm5ic3A7PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPkknZCBzYXkgaXQgd2FzIGFuI=
>> GFk
>>> amVjdGl2ZSwgb2YgdGhlIHR5cGUgdGhhdCdzIG1hZGUgb3V0IG9mIGEgdmVyYiAoaWYgdGhlP=
>> G86
>>> cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+Y2xhc3MgaGFzIHRhbGtlZCBpbiBzb21lIHdheSBhYm91d=
>> CBw
>>> YXJ0aWNpcGxlcywgd2l0aCBvciB3aXRob3V0IHRoZSB0ZXJtPG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NC=
>> jxw
>>> cmU+YWN0dWFsbHkgYmVpbmcgdXNlZCkuIFlvdSBjYW4gcHV0ICZxdW90O3ZlcnkmcXVvdDsga=
>> W4g
>>> ZnJvbnQgb2YgaXQgZWFzaWx5LDxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPndoaWNoIHN1cHBvc=
>> nRz
>>> IHRoZSBpZGVhIHRoYXQgaXQncyBhbiBhZGplY3RpdmUgb3IgYWR2ZXJiLCBhbmQgeW91IGNhb=
>> iBy
>>> dWxlIG91dDxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPmFkdmVyYiBmYWlybHkgZWFzaWx5IHRvb=
>> yAo
>>> aXQncyBub3QgbW92YWJsZSwgeW91IHNob3VsZCBiZSBhYmxlIHRvIHNheTxvOnA+PC9vOnA+P=
>> C9w
>>> cmU+DQo8cHJlPiZxdW90O2V4Y2l0aW5nbHkmcXVvdDsgdGhlcmUgaWYgaXQgd2VyZSBhbiBhZ=
>> HZl
>>> cmIsIGV0Yy4pLiBJZiB0aGUgY2xhc3M8bzpwPjwvbzpwPjwvcHJlPg0KPHByZT5oYXNuJ3Qgd=
>> GFs
>>> a2VkIGFib3V0IHZlcmIgZm9ybXMgYmVpbmcgdXNlZCBhcyBhZGplY3RpdmVzLCBtYXliZSB0a=
>> Glz
>>> IHdvdWxkIGJlIGE8bzpwPjwvbzpwPjwvcHJlPg0KPHByZT5nb29kIHBsYWNlIHRvIGJyaW5nI=
>> Gl0
>>> IHVwLiBZb3UgY2FuIG51ZGdlIHRoZSB3b3JkIHZlcmJ3YXJkcyBieSBhZGRpbmcgc29tZXRoa=
>> W5n
>>> PG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+aW50ZXJwcmV0YWJsZSBvbmx5IGFzIGFuIG9iamVjd=
>> Dog
>>> JnF1b3Q7V2hhdCBoYWQgYmVlbiBleGNpdGluZyBldmVyeW9uZSBub3cganVzdDxvOnA+PC9vO=
>> nA+
>>> PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPm1hZGUgdGhlbSBjb25mdXNlZCZxdW90OyAoYnV0IHRoZW4gdGhlICZxd=
>> W90
>>> O3ZlcnkmcXVvdDsgdGVzdCBib21icykuPG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+PG86cD4mb=
>> mJz
>>> cDs8L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+SWYgeW91J3JlIHRhbGtpbmcgYWJvdXQgZ3JhbW1hdGljY=
>> Wwg
>>> cm9sZSwgaXQncyBhIHN1YmplY3QgY29tcGxlbWVudCBpbnNpZGUgYTxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wc=
>> mU+
>>> DQo8cHJlPndoLWNsYXVzZSBhY3RpbmcgYXMgc3ViamVjdC4uLiBidXQgSSB3YXMgZ3Vlc3Npb=
>> mcg
>>> dGhhdCBzZXZlbnRoIGdyYWRlIHByb2JhYmx5PG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+aGFzb=
>> id0
>>> IGZvY3VzZWQgbXVjaCBvbiBub21pbmFsIGNsYXVzZXMgYW5kIGVtYmVkZGluZy48bzpwPjwvb=
>> zpw
>>> PjwvcHJlPg0KPHByZT48bzpwPiZuYnNwOzwvbzpwPjwvcHJlPg0KPHByZT4tLS0gQmlsbCBTc=
>> HJ1
>>> aWVsbDxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPjxvOnA+Jm5ic3A7PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8c=
>> HJl
>>> PkZyb206IFNjb3R0IFdvb2RzICZsdDtzY290dHd3b29kc0BZQUhPTy5DT00mbHQ7bWFpbHRvO=
>> nNj
>>> b3R0d3dvb2RzQFlBSE9PLkNPTSZndDs8bzpwPjwvbzpwPjwvcHJlPg0KPHByZT5SZXBseS1Ub=
>> zog
>>> QVRFRyBFbmdsaXNoIEdyYW1tYXI8bzpwPjwvbzpwPjwvcHJlPg0KPHByZT4mbHQ7QVRFR0BMS=
>> VNU
>>> U0VSVi5NVU9ISU8uRURVJmx0O21haWx0bzpBVEVHQExJU1RTRVJWLk1VT0hJTy5FRFUmZ3Q7P=
>> G86
>>> cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+RGF0ZTogVHVlLCA4IE5vdiAyMDExIDA5OjU5OjMzIC0wO=
>> DAw
>>> PG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+VG86IEFURUcgRW5nbGlzaCBHcmFtbWFyPG86cD48L=
>> 286
>>> cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+Jmx0O0FURUdATElTVFNFUlYuTVVPSElPLkVEVSZsdDttYWlsdG86Q=
>> VRF
>>> R0BMSVNUU0VSVi5NVU9ISU8uRURVJmd0OzxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPlN1YmplY=
>> 3Q6
>>> IGdyYW1tYXIgcXVlc3Rpb24tLXZlcmIgdi4gcGFydGljaXBsZTxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+D=
>> Qo8
>>> cHJlPjxvOnA+Jm5ic3A7PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPkRlYXIgTGlzdCw8bzpwPjwvbzpwP=
>> jwv
>>> cHJlPg0KPHByZT48bzpwPiZuYnNwOzwvbzpwPjwvcHJlPg0KPHByZT5Ib3cgd291bGQgeW91I=
>> GRl
>>> c2NyaWJlICZxdW90O2V4Y2l0aW5nJnF1b3Q7IGluIHRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmcgc2VudGVuY2U/P=
>> G86
>>> cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+PG86cD4mbmJzcDs8L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+Jmx0O=
>> 1do
>>> YXQgaGFkIGJlZW4gZXhjaXRpbmcgZ2F2ZSBoZXIgYSBmZWVsaW5nIG9mIGRhemVkIGhlbHBsZ=
>> XNz
>>> bmVzcy4mZ3Q7PG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+PG86cD4mbmJzcDs8L286cD48L3ByZ=
>> T4N
>>> CjxwcmU+SG93IHdvdWxkIHlvdSBleHBsYWluIHlvdXIgcmVhc29uaW5nIHRvIDd0aCBncmFkZ=
>> XJz
>>> PzxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPjxvOnA+Jm5ic3A7PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlP=
>> lRo
>>> YW5rcyw8bzpwPjwvbzpwPjwvcHJlPg0KPHByZT48bzpwPiZuYnNwOzwvbzpwPjwvcHJlPg0KP=
>> HBy
>>> ZT5TY290dCBXb29kczxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPlRvIGpvaW4gb3IgbGVhdmUgd=
>> Ghp
>>> cyBMSVNUU0VSViBsaXN0LCBwbGVhc2UgdmlzaXQgdGhlIGxpc3QncyB3ZWIgaW50ZXJmYWNlI=
>> GF0
>>> OjxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPmh0dHA6Ly9saXN0c2Vydi5tdW9oaW8uZWR1L2FyY=
>> 2hp
>>> dmVzL2F0ZWcuaHRtbCBhbmQgc2VsZWN0ICZxdW90O0pvaW4gb3IgbGVhdmU8bzpwPjwvbzpwP=
>> jwv
>>> cHJlPg0KPHByZT50aGUgbGlzdCZxdW90OzxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPjxvOnA+J=
>> m5i
>>> c3A7PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPlZpc2l0IEFURUcncyB3ZWIgc2l0ZSBhdCBodHRwOi8vY=
>> XRl
>>> Zy5vcmcvPG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+PG86cD4mbmJzcDs8L286cD48L3ByZT4NC=
>> jxw
>>> cmU+VG8gam9pbiBvciBsZWF2ZSB0aGlzIExJU1RTRVJWIGxpc3QsIHBsZWFzZSB2aXNpdCB0a=
>> GUg
>>> bGlzdCdzIHdlYiBpbnRlcmZhY2UgYXQ6PG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+Jm5ic3A7J=
>> m5i
>>> c3A7Jm5ic3A7Jm5ic3A7IGh0dHA6Ly9saXN0c2Vydi5tdW9oaW8uZWR1L2FyY2hpdmVzL2F0Z=
>> Wcu
>>> aHRtbDxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPmFuZCBzZWxlY3QgJnF1b3Q7Sm9pbiBvciBsZ=
>> WF2
>>> ZSB0aGUgbGlzdCZxdW90OzxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPjxvOnA+Jm5ic3A7PC9vO=
>> nA+
>>> PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPlZpc2l0IEFURUcncyB3ZWIgc2l0ZSBhdCBodHRwOi8vYXRlZy5vcmcvP=
>> G86
>>> cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+PG86cD4mbmJzcDs8L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+VG8ga=
>> m9p
>>> biBvciBsZWF2ZSB0aGlzIExJU1RTRVJWIGxpc3QsIHBsZWFzZSB2aXNpdCB0aGUgbGlzdCdzI=
>> Hdl
>>> YiBpbnRlcmZhY2UgYXQ6PG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+Jm5ic3A7Jm5ic3A7Jm5ic=
>> 3A7
>>> Jm5ic3A7IGh0dHA6Ly9saXN0c2Vydi5tdW9oaW8uZWR1L2FyY2hpdmVzL2F0ZWcuaHRtbDxvO=
>> nA+
>>> PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPmFuZCBzZWxlY3QgJnF1b3Q7Sm9pbiBvciBsZWF2ZSB0aGUgb=
>> Glz
>>> dCZxdW90OzxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+DQo8cHJlPjxvOnA+Jm5ic3A7PC9vOnA+PC9wcmU+D=
>> Qo8
>>> cHJlPlZpc2l0IEFURUcncyB3ZWIgc2l0ZSBhdCBodHRwOi8vYXRlZy5vcmcvPG86cD48L286c=
>> D48
>>> L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+PG86cD4mbmJzcDs8L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+PG86cD4mbmJzcDs8L=
>> 286
>>> cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwIGNsYXNzPSJNc29Ob3JtYWwiIHN0eWxlPSJtYXJnaW4tYm90dG9tOjEyL=
>> jBw
>>> dCI+TWFydGhhIEtvbGxuPGJyPg0KPGJyPg0KPG86cD48L286cD48L3A+DQo8L2Rpdj4NCjxwI=
>> GNs
>>> YXNzPSJNc29Ob3JtYWwiPlRvIGpvaW4gb3IgbGVhdmUgdGhpcyBMSVNUU0VSViBsaXN0LCBwb=
>> GVh
>>> c2UgdmlzaXQgdGhlIGxpc3QncyB3ZWIgaW50ZXJmYWNlIGF0OiBodHRwOi8vbGlzdHNlcnYub=
>> XVv
>>> aGlvLmVkdS9hcmNoaXZlcy9hdGVnLmh0bWwgYW5kIHNlbGVjdCAmcXVvdDtKb2luIG9yIGxlY=
>> XZl
>>> IHRoZSBsaXN0JnF1b3Q7DQo8bzpwPjwvbzpwPjwvcD4NCjxwPlZpc2l0IEFURUcncyB3ZWIgc=
>> 2l0
>>> ZSBhdCBodHRwOi8vYXRlZy5vcmcvIDxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wPg0KPC9kaXY+DQo8L2JvZHk+D=
>> Qo8
>>> L2h0bWw+DQo=3D
>>> 
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