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Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]>
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Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]>
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Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:30:36 -0800
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Craig,

Thanks.  That helped.  

Scott




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From: Craig Hancock <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 9:52:10 AM
Subject: Re: grammar question--clause analysis

Scott,
    The pattern is a very common one, and you are right that it differs from 
other adjective complements without the "so." Here's the more normal pattern:
   I am happy that you graduated on time.
   I am pleased that you made it here safely.
Both of these show the reasons or causes of the state described by the 
adjective.
The so x that y construction, though, gives us results or extent. I think it 
helps to remember that adjectives are generally scalar: there are degrees of 
hunger, cold, happiness, ardentness, and so on, and these can in part be 
measured by their effects. 

I'm so hungry that I could eat a horse. 
It was so cold that the pipes in our kitchen froze for the first time. 
In your example, I think "avoiding the campgrounds of the masses" is both a 
result of their degree of ardentness and a measure of its extent.
    These lower level constructions often take on a unique grammar of their own. 
The clause looks like a  noun clause in structure, but it's a complement, not 
just of the adjective, but of the so x [that] construction. The "that" is just a 
complementizer, so it can be dropped. 

    Hope that helps.

Craig

On 2/25/2011 11:10 AM, Scott Woods wrote: 
Dear List,
>
>How would you explain the clause bracketed clause in the following sentence?
>
>    Some in this group are so ardent [that they avoid the campgrounds of the 
>masses.]
>    
>Does the clause start at so? Or does it modify ardent?
>
>It seems like a very common type, but it doesn't seem to fit the normal pattern 
>of a noun clause, an adjective clause, or an adverb clause.  
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Scott Woods
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