----- Original Message ----- 
From: Stanton Peele 
To: [log in to unmask] 
Sent: den 15 januari 2001 06:30
Subject: Re: Fw: Dui and wine


Tim Stockwell of this list has investigated types of beverage in re night-time assault. 
Anne Tjonneland in the Gronbaek group has examined diet and wine drinkers. 

The NLAES group (Grant, Dawson et al.) have investigated beverage prefs. and alcohol-related medical consequences. 

Reg Smart has looked at beverage prefs. and adolescent problems and general population drinking consequences. 

Robin Room wrote: 

  Just to keep every one in the loop, two postings from the other list this has been on. Robin 

  To all concerned: 
  I am writing a book about wine but not to 'tout' it as you call it for the 
  sake of it. In my wine and health section I want to place both points of 
  view side by side such as: a says this so b retorts on a. Let the reader 
  decide but with the most accurate facts for both sides. The last thing I 
  want as an author is to be blind sided.. So go ahead fellas I am taking all 
  this in. 
  Martin 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin Platts
  To: [log in to unmask]: den 14 januari 2001 17:30Subject: Dui and wine
   I find it fascinating how Robin collected his statistics since I do a lot of roadside interviews for my wine class on 'blind tasting issues". First what I have learned about wine consumers is that the greatest consumption always comes at meal times (and we are generalizing as all polls do). Second, I personally do not boast wine is the beverage of moderation, on the contrary, if you drank wine for the sake of it you are likely to become just as inebriated just and as fast as if you gulped down beer, minus the gas. Then there is the personality factor to take into consideration. Since I have lived in Louisville I found wine drinkers tend to lean towards professional people. Yet even their many look and live as unhealthy life style as anyone else. Just look at the medical profession personnel for example who generally spout wine as the moderate beverage. Most Doctors I meet are either overweight, lack exercise but drink wine because psychologically they think it is their savior so to speak either socially or mentally. Well folks if you look at it like that then beer can do the same job. To be fair there are others in the same profession who really like the intellectual stimulus of wine that enhances your quality of life and friends.That then leaves us with who actually consumes what and when. I have already mentioned wine consumers..not alcoholics. I spent two days with meths drinkers under the bridge  in London listening to their stories. It should have been longer but from what I can ascertain alcoholism is a sickness as much as those of us who work themselves to death over long hours. I know that to is arguable.Beer is generally consumed either at sporting events, large gatherings or for that matter for just effect. Of course I can see Robin just lining up the stats. Spirits on the other hand cannot be consumed like wine or beer even though we know there are people out there who do drink lots of it.No gentlemen, wine is not necessarily the drink of moderation but without doubt of conversation. If you do not believe me you need to come to my dinner table. The other night Pauline and I had a serious discussion over Prince Edward Oysters vs. Pacific rim oysters with Domaine Lafond Tavel Rose as opposed to a Bandol Rose. Using a raspberry vinagrette mixed with Shallots as a dipping sauce. Now Robin a difficult decision had to be made as to which style of wine suited the sauce and why. We did ask the cat to break the tie but she refused to comment. So I went back to my writing.Its also worth remembering what Disraeli said in the House of CommonsThere are lies, damn lies then there are statistics.Martin