May I gently demur: all non-drinkers are not ignorant.
ernie kurtz
Jim Hedges wrote:
> Very true, and it's a conundrum for those of us in the temperance
> movement. Educated people are less likely to be religious (because of
> knowing better), but more likely to drink (even though they should know
> better). So, educated, irreligious, non-drinkers such as myself are
> socially ostracized from both groups -- we're not welcome among ignorant
> non-drinkers, because we're not believers, and we're not welcome among
> educated drinkers, because we're not imbibers. Drinking by the educated
> must be a status symbol, like being fat in a poor society or thin in a
> rich society. The tobacco prohibition folks have largely succeeded in
> eliminating smoking among the educated by making smoking unfashionable.
> How do we alcohol prohibition folks made drinking unfashionable?
>
> Jim Hedges, Partisan Prohibition Historical Society
>
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> From: /Robin G W Room <[log in to unmask]>/
> Reply-To: /Alcohol and Drugs History Society
> <[log in to unmask]>/
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: /Re: statistics on class and ethnicity/
> Date: /Tue, 22 May 2007 05:43:21 +0200/
> >Gretchen --
> > There are lots of differences in drinking by ethnicity. This
> is true botrh
> >between societies and for ethnicities within a multicultural society.
> > The general rule for social class is that there are more
> abstainers among
> >poor people. Among those who do drink at all, poor drinkers tend
> to have higher
> >rates of drinking to intoxication.
> > Among those who do drink to intoxication or drink a lot, the
> poor tend to
> >end up with more health or social trouble -- you might say they
> are less able
> >to insulate themseleves from the health and social effects. are
> more likely
> > Heavy drinking is moralized in most societies, and poor heavy
> drinkers are
> >often stigmatized and marginalized. Marginalized heavy drinkers
> account for
> >more than their share of premature mortality.
> > This is the short version, unreferenced. I will send you
> off-list a long
> >paper, as yet unpublished, four of us wrote for WHO on this.
> > On the epidemiology of drinking in Mexico, check for the names
> Maria-Elena
> >Medina Mora and Guillermo Borges.
> > Cheers, Robin
> >
> >
> >On 2007-05-21, at 03:55, Gretchen Pierce wrote:
> > > Dear Group,
> > >
> > > As a historian I feel woefully inadequate when it comes to what
> > > scientists, anthropologists, etc. have said about the subject of
> > > alcohol addiction. I know that Mexican temperance reformers in the
> > > 1920s and 30s believed that indigenous and working-class people
> drank
> > > more than others, and they believed that science validated
> their ideas.
> > > But my question is: what do modern scienticists say about
> this? Is
> > > there any propensity to consume alcohol based on class or
> ethnicity?
> > > It seems highly prejudiced to me, but I could be wrong. Any
> good works
> > > that you could point me to?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Gretchen
> > >
> > > Gretchen Pierce
> > > Adjunct Instructor
> > > Indiana University Northwest
> > > Ph.D. Candidate
> > > University of Arizona
>
>
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